(However, more people in either ‘camp’ is a really good thing.). It is a point of dogma. With all due respect, to think one typically leads to the other is a fundamental misunderstanding of psychology. I know for me personally it was skepticism about “everything else” that eventually led me to question and reject my religion. To me, it has to do with testable vs. untestable claims. Report. So, skepticism about the paranormal was the thin end of the wedge that eventually pried away all sorts of uncritical beliefs, including religion. One finds a reflection of the intimate link between skepticism and atheism in the fact that Jennifer Michael Hecht founds her book In that way, skepticism is a lens rather than a list of opinions. Besides, a true skeptic doesn’t prescribe (or proscribe) a given belief. Both topics need to be adressed. Skeptics and Atheists are two entirely different things. @JJ Human behavior changes alot based on various things. Drunkenly yelling LITTLE WING! They are not one in the same, the skeptic and the atheist. There are a mountain of other factors involved with each individual why they can or cannot practice skepticism and be an atheist. He acknowledged it was silly, but it made him happy. It’s when the magician claims that his powers stem from extranormal/paranormal sources that my hackles go up. Again, I think that Snuggly Buffalo is correct – it’s lack of critical thinking that is the head of the monster. In an earlier Strange Notions essay, I addressed the problem of how an all-good God could be compatible with the existence of Hell. From a practical point of view – at least in Germany where i come from – Skeptizism may be more practical – debunking Astrology or Woo-Treatments, that endanger peoples wellbeing – than promoting the idea that there is no god (most probably), which has little impact on peoples everydaylife in a mostly secular society. All atheists are skeptics, but all skeptics are not atheist. Belief in god isn’t dangerous or not… it’s neutral. This does not, of course, mean that you have applied your intellect well, it just means that you have applied it honestly. While they are often intertwined, they are distict, and someone can be one without being the other. For only God, an omniscient being, can positively make the truth statement, There is No God. Sure one often leads to the other but, as has already been pointed out, not always. Not Now. Like some sects of Buddhism, a “I don’t believe in god because I prefer the idea of no god” mindset, or- in my opinion- any “strong” atheists (and I mean the very few people who “know” 100% that god does not exist). That hope would be misplaced, for a lot of the reasons Anthroslug gave. It’s not about having every conclusion line up perfectly with a platonic ideal of a “skeptic”. I think it will be a natural progression that we can help, but not force. Reply Delete. What do you think should come first? Everybody else will go to hell.”. Each individual may get to one by the other, others may not. If James Randi showed you the leprechaun he caught, would you believe him then? To my surprise, all sorts of things came up. Pascal was skeptical in all areas of life. We have before — they failed.). I’d probably peg her as an agnostic Christian, even if she doesn’t subscribe to the label. See more of Bold Atheism on Facebook. Is it rational to hold a belief such as that? I had a girlfriend back in my early college days that was and is still a very skeptical person. If only the term “Scientologist” wasn’t already taken by a crackpot cult! I could make a stronger claim that skepticism without materialism is incomplete, and yet there are many skeptics who are not materialists. The skeptical position holds that … Absolutely not. “Someone told me I was an atheist because I'm not sure God exists. If a diety existed, we would have a sample size of one. Even if we try, the best that we can do is to try to be open to disconfirming evidence, but know that we will sometimes (perhaps frequently) fail. I think both go well together, but both are equally important. Log In . Bill Maher may be an atheist, but he still believes in certain types of woo. I don’t really see atheist groups doing that sort of public service when claims about God are made. Atheism is absolutely a faith argument and a self-defeating one. As psychology has pointed out, you can study groups, and say that any given individual has a certain chance of doing X, but that by no means is conclusive. They came about simultaneously for me, but I know lots of people become atheists and/or skeptics at different times in their lives. Re: Skepticism vs. Atheism « Reply #120 on: May 24, 2009, 07:23:07 AM » Quote from: dhawk on May 24, 2009, 07:02:55 AM. Reply. And, in fact, I … If you can convince people they’re wrong about their religious claims, that thinking will eventually extend into psychics, horoscopes, and Deepak Chopra. Of course scepticism leads to atheism, that is we do not know that a god exists, and a god isn’t a simple or competent explanation. conspiracy theory – now that is nuts….LOL. But is that borne out by the evidence or is it just a bit of branding based on a limited selection of doubt? And it seems to me that’s what this growing schism between skeptics and atheists is about. You could even call atheism the pinnacle of skepticism. I think they go hand in hand. However, I have known some people who are solidly skeptical expect where it comes to religion. That’s an interesting point. In my mind, atheism is a subset of skeptic. But you can still say you are a skeptic, no one can stop you. The existence of God is an untestable claim, therefore it falls outside the realm of skepticism (personally, the fact that it is untestable is why I’m an atheist, but I can see how opinions differ). However, if you start with her absurd beliefs regarding health care, which she has based her worldview and politics around, you will simply alienate her and she won’t listen to you. Why either/or? While skepticism is sometimes synonymous with certain definitions of agnosticism, other writers distinguish between skepticism and agnosticism as does Warren Young, who writes: Skepticism carries the negative attitude a step farther than agnosticism, denying the possibility of human knowledge. Atheism is a conspiracy theory. Pretty much every irrational belief has a negative consequences to it so it’s good to have different organizations focus on different things. It took the years of skepticism about other things to build the “skeptical muscles” of critical thinking to take on years-ingrained belief systems and supporting rationalizations that came from being raised in a religious household. Like Nardo, I was a skeptic for some time before eventually becoming an atheist. CosmicSkeptic 119,000 views. Read the pros and cons of the debate Skepticism Leads to Atheism “I haven’t seen enough evidence to believe in god”. But much less is made out of the more obvious fact that atheism doesn’t need skepticism to be complete. To the exclusion of everything else atheist groups seem more interested in ‘clubbing’ and filing lawsuits whenever some public official makes passing reference to God. or. (Atheism vs Agnosticism Explained) - Duration: 7:37. Skeptic – 1. I don’t think we can really prioritize irrational behaviors. I know full well that a stage magician is using distraction and subterfuge to pull off an illusion, but that doesn’t stop me from being amazed. I don’t think its a bad idea to nudge an atheist to think about woo or a skeptic to think about religion, but some people aren’t totally ready to give up a certain kind of woo just because they gave up other woo. The process of doing that eventually broadened what I considered patently absurd until there wasn’t anything left of my religion. I consider myself an atheist and a skeptic and I personally can not understand, how one can believe in a god without evidence for its existence. Your metaphor of going for the head reminded me of the multiple head scene. Popoff claimed the information came from God. Most Christians are sceptical of Krishna and not all faith healers are fully convinced that Santa Claus exists. People who outright deny some aspect of science for the sake of preserving an ideological agenda commonly cast themselves as skeptics and thus the "real" promoters … Skepticism should come first, no question. When he sought out the evidence he had what you might discribe as a supernatural experience. There one can easily show outcomes that are very compelling. I know very few serious skeptics who are not non-believers. I can make up all sorts of afterlife scenarios. Religion makes so many absurd claims that, if one isn’t too emotionally and culturally indoctrinated, it’s not that terribly hard to see through the mythology. If you think that being a senior CSICOP fellow and prominent debunker of pseudoscientific and paranormal claims isn’t sufficient to make one a skeptic, then you might as well think that being a adult male born and living in Scotland isn’t enough to make one a Scotsman. Skepticism (American English) or scepticism (British English) is generally any questioning attitude or doubt towards one or more items of putative knowledge or belief. or. They are more like social clubs. Press alt + / to open this menu. It all balances out in the end. I was watching the Disney film Hercules yesturday. I would most definitely hate to alienate this person, who may eventually even become skeptical of that last bit of religion to which he or she is clinging, and even if not, they’re not the sort who is working to promote their religious views and is more probably combating those who are promoting their religious views. I'm perfectly willing to believe in magnets. The skeptics seem to be the ones out there actually addressing falsehoods that someone needs to refute. And there should be no requirement for it to be otherwise. If one can show that their castle rests on a foundation of sand and not the bedrock they assert you can overcome their automatic defenses and allow them to see the emptiness of their delusional beliefs. I’m of the mind that “graceful degradation” is the way to go. I’ve met some who do outwardly use that label, and they sounded much like her. Gods and governments, priests and politicians; Why not apply the same religious skepticism to claims about the correct way to govern/control people? It is—if only because so many people are “skeptics when it comes to everything else.”. Sure one often leads to the other but, as has already been pointed out, not always. So I can see why Randi focuses on that part. just as fallacious as the Theistic arguments we criticize. Sometimes head shots aren’t best. You can be have a skeptical mindset when it comes to god and nothing else (bill maher, for example) or you can be an atheist for reasons that have nothing to do with skepticism. I really don’t understand why we would conclude that fighting religion would hurt Deepak Chopra (especially when Chopra’s fans are mostly people disillusioned with organized religion, or weren’t you aware?). My favorite example is that of astronomer Pamela Gay, who if you’ve heard her speak, you KNOW that she’s dedicated to the Skeptical movement and you’d never even know that she’s religious in any sense until she mentions it. The fact of the matter is that nobody is skeptical about all things. It’s the associated beliefs that can cause harm. Do we really need a ‘true skeptic’ litmus test? Then one day I realised that the only thing I’d never questioned was my belief in God. Interesting. She is very clear in acknowledging that her religious views are completely unprovable and unsupported by any evidence, but on the other hand, without having heard her expand upon exactly what those religious beliefs are, I’d guess she’s also safely within that range of beliefs that also can never be disproven. (Should we call this the Wedge Strategy?). Just because they are among the most prominent or awesome skeptics doesn’t make them right about everything. In other words, some religious beliefs are fair game – that doesn’t mean that all skeptics must be atheists. ... Want more from the Friendly Atheist? Sections of this page. I’ve had many back-and-forths with others on this issue. A lot is made out of the idea that skepticism without atheism is incomplete. It’s the Great White Whale. Quote from: Mick on May 24, 2009, 05:16:00 AM. (The Skeptics’ Society defines skepticism this way.) I’d love to use the term skeptic to include atheist, esp. There is a popular notion that doubt and skepticism are specially linked to atheism. They can call themselves skeptics because the organization in which they are under doesn’t require a non-belief in some creator, but how is it any different than Leprechauns? She’s never even considered trying to overcome her indoctrination and probably never will. And I think they all go hand in hand. Organizationally speaking, I tend to find more in common with skeptic groups than atheist groups. Some through ‘skepticism’. Scepticism vs. One other point… I don’t think the analogy that “god is the head of the monster” is apt. Yes we are atheists at the JREF, most of us. M.A., Princeton University; B.A., University of Pennsylvania ; Austin Cline, a former regional director for the Council for … If you can get through to someone that mega-dosing on vitamin C is useless, you can get them to start thinking critically and questioning everything. Otherwise you run the risk on emulating fundamentalist dogmatism. So, while a person may react predicitable once, a second time, perhaps not. No actual evidence. It isn’t that you are certain there is no god, that tarot tells the future or that there is a floating Jesus in the spaghetti sauce – it is that you have to prove those things for yourself and don’t accept it blindly. Atheism and Radical Skepticism: Ibn Taymiyyah’s Epistemic Critique By bloggingtheologycom on July 7, 2020 • ( 0 ) A new must read article from the … Some will find their way to rationality through atheism. And a pacifist who kills people isn’t a true pacifist. Dishonesty is dishonesty, religion is just a slightly more organised delusion like John Edwards or Deepak, some people can NEVER be brought to logic, there will always be an element of society who live dishonestly and will never ever grow up and mature…………. Some schools of thought view the path of atheism as a valid one but difficult to follow in matters of spirituality. You probably have a point there. Skeptics and Atheists are two entirely different things. Forgot account? I advise fellow Atheists to stick to defensively justifying an Atheistic position. But as individuals, not as an organization. If you could get her to look at why she rejects god(s), you might be able to get her to slowly work towards her opposition to scientifically-based medicine and reconsider her position. The Flatlander’s Argument Against Miracles. applying this to a diety, and since we only have a sample size of one, there’s no reason to believe the actions of this diety would be predictable. Replies . But there are those who have no investment in religion for whom skepticism about God is easier than skepticism about other areas. But if your goal is to fight for both skepticism and atheism, doesn’t it make a whole lot more sense to argue for skepticism first and let atheism follow? I think its all dangerous (religion, woo, pseudoscience, and the paranormal) but we can’t all focus on the same area at once. But am I going to ostracize her for it? 273 Comments. The discussion had two main prongs – how skepticism and atheism interact in an individual and how the two interact in a movement. Loading... Unsubscribe from JaclynGlenn? Teach people to think critically, understand the process of science. Gardner, “Confessions of a Skeptic,” in Bryan Farha, ed. Atheism and Skepticism. 7:37 . Probably not. That was because I hadn’t been heavily indoctrinated into Christianity. We were just talking about how easy it is to imagine a non-skeptical atheist, and how hard it is to imagine a skeptical theist. I can’t decide, in this metaphor, what the big pile of rocks is… probably Science? Not surprising for such a nuanced question. And as far as I’m concerned, the problematic aspects of god-belief are precisely those making supernatural claims. I don’t care if someone is a theist as long as he or she is a reflective theist. Bold Atheism. 2. If that ever changes, one should be willing to abandon atheism without much fuss. You know that concept does not work in your world view. Browse more videos. Published: 6 Mar, 2018. You cannot prove the non-existence of a Being that is immaterial, … That’s not a true scotsman, it really is a rather unavoidable conclusion of taking skepticism seriously. So, the idea that we can single out one realm of thought and say “a TRUE skeptic can not believe in poposition X” ignores the reality of how humans, including skeptics, think, and is therefore an example of poor critical thinking. Sign Up. I would like to think not. People are dang stubborn about theism. Atheism is again very woolly, like the posters in New Zealand say; “We are all atheists about most gods, some of us just go one god further!” (A paraphrased Dawkins quote!). A believer can be skeptical of other religions outside of their own. Sorry, that turned out way longer than I expected. At that point, there would be sufficient evidence for him to believe in the existence of leprechauns. I think the JREF is correct in their stance on the subject. An atheist is skeptical of the belief in god, including the religious doctrines associated to belief. UK Court Rejects Paralyzed Man’s Lawsuit ...", In Symbolic Proclamation, Trump Says “a ...". Sure, you can say that nothing testable has contradicted either of them…but the same applies to many forms of Theism and substance dualism. Yeah, I’d put “scientific skepticism” above “capital-A” Atheism as a priority for a few reasons: – I became a skeptic before becoming an atheist and I suspect others follow that path, – In most discussions with theist/deist skeptics, there is common ground for discourse and an acknowledgment, on their part, that they don’t have evidence or are using an idiosyncratic definition of god, – Some extremely talented and highly educated skeptics (particularly in mathematics, for some reason) maintain some beliefs and alienating them is counterproductive. However, if all skeptical groups are “attacking” religion, the audience doesn’t stay long enough to learn anything. Skepticism without atheism is incomplete. The latter point is the skeptical point, and while one could call both of those speakers atheists, there is a crucial difference between the two statements. Log In. At least, I can’t imagine one without the other for me, and atheists that aren’t skeptics and skeptics that aren’t atheists both confuse me. Does the Bible Support Same-Sex Marriage? Neither leads to the other. One who instinctively or habitually doubts, questions, or disagrees with assertions or generally accepted conclusions. You could be a Deist (God created the universe and designed the laws of nature but has had no direct intervention since the Big Bang) and be a skeptic very easily. Scepticism. 3.9K likes. To me, a skeptic is someone who simply doesn’t “believe in” anything; he accepts or rejects ideas based on scientific evidence, and that acceptance or rejection is always subject to change. If he wasn’t a skeptic, nobody is. Do Theological Claims Need to be Falsifiable? Still, I’ve always felt the God issue was the more important one. Threads 11,643 Messages 346,952 Members 1,084 Latest member suzzanedelm Member time online 4373d 21h 10m Theism vs. A Production of Word on Fire, "Come now, let us reason together." You can be Secular and religious, too, altough Humanism may fit better. He asked the big questions. I also think that a lack of critical thinking is the real head of the monster. People, go look up the terms skeptic and atheist. In some ways, giving up god belief is much easier than adopting an overall attitude of skepticism. . I am skeptical of atheism. So, to conclude, you should bury the monster under a big pile of rocks. Attempts to rule out the possibility Theism is true are usually (always?) MisterMarc. Grothe, explaining why the JREF focuses on testable skepticism regarding “pseudoscience, the paranormal, and the supernatural” instead of on religious claims about God. (As long as they don’t try to silence discussion). I don’t really see God as the head of the Monster, I’d reserve a lack of critical thinking for that spot. As for the fact of the matter, though, you cannot say you practice skepticism 100% of the time (like many of us do) if you believe in God or any kind of woo. (At least, I would hope so.). Also, as you note with Bill Maher (and psychologist Bruce Hood points out) lack of belief in a god does not mean that someone will not buy into all manner of other nonsense. For example, “Only people that hop on one foot ten times with both hands touching their head will go heaven. … --- Atheism At minimum, atheism requires the lack of belief in any gods, but the term ranges… Skip to content. A claim should be treated different due to its popularity. Decades ago the televangelist Peter Popoff was exposed by James Randi for fraudulently claiming communication with God to diagnose and then heal his audience’s medical ailments. Sure someone who claims to be something CAN do the opposite, but it doesn’t make them consistent with the definition of the word. Vitamin C mega-dosing might someone’s personal woo, but their religion might be their social framework and their source of comfort when grandma died. No, it is not NECESSARILY intellectually dishonest. So far we have defined Skepticism (in the light of the hypothesis that we are in a simulation) and Atheism (God does not exist). This theist wants even more concessions, a special exception, as religion feels it is entitled to in every realm. Create New Account. Scepticism is a woolly term, anyone can be sceptical of anything at all. I don’t see a problem with that. There’s a real danger in defining yourself by a position. If atheism is a subset of philosophical skepticism, i.e. I lived in a haunted house for five years and saw several ghosts but I’m making no assertions because I have no means of proving such an extraordinary claim to those who weren’t there to see them with me. Skepticism: The COVID-19 Pandemic. “Is it intellectually honest to call yourself a skeptic if you still believe in a god?”. I don’t agree with the part I bolded. adds that “being atheist is not enough.” He has a point. But i realize that altough most of the Skeptics i have met are atheists, there is a significant number of Skeptics that are still religous. Other woo can be like this, but religion is more likely to be indoctrinated from childhood. There’s a danger of creating the perception, and maybe even the reality, of accepting atheism for atheism’s sake. I don’t think we (the atheist community and/or the skeptic community) should focus on why others aren’t atheists or skeptics, rather we should focus on progressing the movement and getting more people to think critically, whether thinking critically about religion or thinking critically about woo. - Isaiah 1:18. Even in a world where everything is subjected to rational thought, when it is our first and natural impulse when confronted with a mystery … we need not stand up and denounce it to assert our rational ability. I became an atheist long before I became truly a skeptic. It is also very common to find atheism being linked to skepticism. Skeptisicm is the stronger starting point, but to not be skeptical about the biggest elephant in the room, but questioning nuance about everything else is like not complaining about an engine-breakdown of a car, while bickering over the color of the interior design. Atheists who oppose skeptical values are not my allies. 1 year ago. Or do those things go hand-in-hand? Belief Systems Atheism and Agnosticism Logic Ethics Key Figures in Atheism Evolution Atheism Myths and Misconceptions By. And you can’t prove a negative. When it comes to Bigfoot, ghosts, and UFO’s, there is a physical phenomenon which can be measured. But his critics insisted that all Descartes really established is that “There are thoughts.” See Robert Solomon and Kathleen Higgins. I think it’s easier to start with skepticism about beliefs a person is not invested in, and then hopefully they will use the critical thinking skills they learned there and apply them to areas of their life that it’s harder to be skeptical about. you are making a defensible claim. A skeptic needs evidence in order to be “right” in some sense, and thus demands evidence from ever person that claims anything to be true. Here’s a sample of my position, as a skeptic, on the issue of skepticism and atheism. The Rig Veda, the oldest of the Vedas, deals with significant skepticism around the fundamental question of a creator God and the creation of the universe. I think I am more of a skeptic because the Bible doesn't seem relevant; which is true?” Views: 743. I don’t think Randi will ever catch one, but it he does, you can be damn sure he’ll start believing they exist. Start with real, testable arguments. You should accept atheism only because it is most consistent with the evidence. Skepticism regarding things like ghosts and crop circles… or disbelief in God? A place for like minded individuals to commune and share ideas relating to skepticicm, atheism, antitheism, reason and critical thinking Even those of us who would call oursleves skeptics are not skeptical about all things. There is alot to the notion that you aren’t going to get someone to start thinking critically by going immediately after their general worldview, in fact it’s likely to make them back into a corner. // via fulltextrssfeed.com: Skepticism vs. Atheism? We can pretend that the God-question is just one item of woo in an endless bargain-bin of nonsense, but it’s not. Atheist – one who does not believe there is any evidence of any gods. Brice, Martin Gardner was the frakkin’ original skeptic. Since god is essentially untestable, that might not be a good place to start because all you have are verbal arguments. See more of Bold Atheism on Facebook. Evidence can change, and when it does a critical thinker should sometimes change his position. ", "The weirdest thing about this is that Trump didn’t let his ego get in the ...". Playing next. The rest is history; I’m now an atheist. How can the God of the Philosophers be the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob? I think skepticism and atheism go hand in hand, but I think people’s religious beliefs are too deeply ingrained to start there. A skeptic doesn't mean they "don't believe in anything," but they "don't believe in anything without evidence." Criticism is not uncivil. More recently Leon Jaroff from Time magazine, I think it was, discovered the medium John Edwards fishing for information from his audience before taping his show. i’m going to coin a phrase: selective skepticism. It was being exposed to the basic rules of logic, and realizing that UFOs, ghosts, and magic had no evidence behind them that led to me re-evaluating my belief in a god. If we can have programs and groups, such as Myth Busters, that show critical thinking in action, then those who pay attention are more likely to drift over to the bigger issues. I doubt I’d believe in them if I hadn’t seen them so I surely don’t expect anyone who hasn’t to. While I haven’t yet heard of any wars/homicides/rioting because of claims crop circles were made by green ETs and other claims that they were made by blue ETs, I still refuse to discard my belief in UFOs. Going after the head one ignores the vitality of the rest of a persons belief structure. ShaunPhilly religion, atheism, polyamory, culture May 12, 2010 December 18, 2010 5 Minutes [edit: This issue continues to be relevant in the skeptical community. Copyright 2008-2017, Patheos. seaotter. S/he just wants to see people using their heads. And it doesn’t help that the majority of people have religion. Con's position will be that an application of skepticism need not lead to atheism. Atheism without skepticism is little better than dogmatism. What if someone was brought up to believe in untestable claims about ghosts but they’re sceptical about everything else including religion? Non-sceptics have something to add to sceptical discourse in specific areas, as alchemists and numerologists had something to add to science. Re: Skepticism vs. Atheism « Reply #150 on: May 27, 2009, 01:19:54 AM » Quote from: dhawk on May 27, 2009, 12:49:34 AM. Atheism VS Skepticism JaclynGlenn. if atheism is just one part of properly-applied skepticism, then [people who are skeptics] would be a subset of [people who are atheists] - all consistent skeptics would be atheists, but atheists aren't necessarily skeptics. This is perfectly fine for claims that are falsifiable, or those for which it is possible to gather evidence on one side or another. I have far more respect for the skeptical theist than the non-skeptical atheist. She’s a minister now and in no way and atheist. Is the reason so many people are “ attacking ” religion, the problematic aspects god-belief. Personally, I will often make eye contact with and smile at strangers, which usually elicits a smile return. 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